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err0r that is a very gracious attitude to take, but whether or not msn does file charges against buzzen or other msn clones is not the point. illegal is illegal, and I simply want to know if buzzen acted legally or not. Is what buzzen did, and is doing legal in regards to using the msn ocx to provide buzzen chat services. Hooray for them that they are developing their own ocx, too bad they didn't do it right from the start. Should we support buzzen and pat them on the back for doing what they did with the msn ocx. I don't think so. If they did not have permission from msn to use that ocx, they were like leaches using msn for their own gain. Sad.

hey djv, suppose you were in the webpage making business, and you created several webpage templates. You were charging people $$ to use those webpage templates...but then some smart alec came along and decided to give your template to people for free... How would you feel about that? Msn was trying to charge for the use of their ocx, and buzzen went and let people enjoy its use for free on buzzen servers. Pathetic is the only word for buzzen. Frankly buzz buzz, buzzen is attracting alot of flies. Glad I'm not a fly.

fanfare I heard it was an msn sysop who sent the buzzen ad over msn chat, but I also heard that the msn sysop was NOT acting officially under msn guidance, but took it upon his or herself to post an ad for buzzen(illegally).

hi X-fusion, thanks for the copyright info. The trouble I am having with all of this is that some people at buzzen are claiming that buzzen owns the patent, copyright, for the msn chat ocx file that they are using to provide chat on at buzzen. These people have said that when they registered their room with buzzen, buzzen staff told them that buzzen owns the patent for the ocx. On the other hand, msn has told me that buzzen is using the ocx without permission, and that msn is taking action. So I would like to know from buzzen (remko is it?) if buzzen owns the patent, copyright, for the msn chat ocx that they are using to provide buzzen chat with, or if msn has given them explicit, in writing, permission to use that ocx to provide buzzen chat services. Also I wanted to know if the buzzen ad, which ran on msn, was it officially from msn, or was it from some dolt sending it unofficially in a silly attempt to support buzzen chat. Alot of people seem to think msn officially sent this ad for buzzen, and that msn supports buzzen chat.

I think I've read through all of the posts here, and am still left wondering.... Are buzzen, phreik and any other msn clone chat sites acting illegally by using the msn chat ocx to provide chat services? For example: Msn attempted to make money from their ocx by implementing subscription chat. But (to my understanding) Buzzen(and other sites) went and used the msn ocx to provide people with free chat at buzzen(and other sites). In essence, if msn took buzzen to court, msn could easily claim that buzzen stole alot of msn's potential paying customers by offering those people the use of msn chat ocx for free at buzzen. Buzzen boasts 50,000 users...that adds up to alot of $$ in damages if buzzen is using the msn ocx illegally, and if msn chooses to recover damages from buzzen. Second, now buzzen is making money from people who register rooms. Is it like $50 per room?? Is it legal that buzzen is making this money while providing people with chat based on msn's ocx file?? or is it theft to use, and make money with someone else's copyrighted chat ocx? I have recieved mixed information regarding this. When I talked with msn, they told me that buzzen is using the msn ocx without permission, and that msn is taking the necessary actions. I have also talked to people on buzzen who claim that buzzen owns the patent for the msn ocx file that they are using. These people claim that buzzen admin told them this. So these two mixed messages leave me with a sense of confusion, and I would like to know clearly from buzzen admin if you do own the patent on the msn ocx file that you are using to provide buzzen chat with, and if buzzen has explicit (in writing) permission from msn to use that ocx to provide chat at buzzen. Also for the record, was the buzzen advertisement posted on msn chat sent officially by msn, or was it sent wrongly(unoffically) by someone supporting buzzen. Msn states they did not send that advertisement, and only encourage people to use msn messenger live. Unfortunately alot of people saw that buzzen ad on msn, and now think msn supports buzzen because of that ad. So buzzen, was that ad an official msn ad, or was it not. For clarity sake it would be nice to recieve some clear, and exact answers from buzzen admin regarding this. Thanks.

TrueNorth, it is VERY easy for webtv and msntv users to join VSIXc chat, as easy as webtv and msntv allow. http://washington-tech.com/vsixc/webtv/ Regular Webtv instructions to join VSIXc Chat: 1. Register your nickname at www.vsixc.com 2. Use the 'goto' or 'advanced' button, located on keyboard or top right of every chat screen. 3. Enter server: irc.vsixc.com 4. Click on a room link from the list provided, and enjoy chatting. msnTV instructions to join VSIXc Chat: 1. Register your nickname at www.vsixc.com 2. msnTV use the 'my chat' options 3. Enter server : vsixic.ath.cx 4. Enter room: [category][language]Name *For example: [xx][xx]Lobby or [xx][xx]HelpDesk or [rl][en]zztestg ps, I'm glad to see msn go.

I like VSIXc Chat the best. www.vsixc.com The options at VSIXc are great! For example, you can register your chat rooms for free, and they then they stay open 24/7, even if no one is in them. You can also change the host or owner keys right from your browser! Just type in: /ownerkey password or hostkey password. Then to host or owner from browser people only have to type in: /pass password. **Also, Webtv can chat at VSIXc. Webtv Instructions to join VSIXc chat are: 1. register at www.vsixc.com 2. Use goto button on keyboard, or on top of every chat page. 3. Enter the server, port, [cat][lang]RoomName server = irc.vsixc.com port = 6667 room = [category][language]RoomName For example: irc.vsixc.com 6667 [XX][XX]Lobby irc.vsixc.com 6667 [RL][EN]zztestg :-) And to top it all off, VSIXc is friendly, and fun to chat at. Plus there are several scripts being updated for it. Right now their is the basic vsixc-mirc and ChristianEthics scripts released, but more are on the way. I also agree with DigitalX on the respect thing. To me it is simply not right, or respectful to use the official copyrighted MSN chat ocx to provide chat, without first gaining MSN explicit permission. It makes me feel better to know that IRCx did things the right way, and set up an excellent and unique chat service, not using anything from MSN.